[Machine] He said, "The hand is not cut off except for ten dirhams." We said, "However, At-Thuwri narrated from 'Isa bin Abi Az-Zahhak, from Ash-Sha'bi, from Ibn Mas'ud, that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ cut off the hand of a thief for five dirhams. This is closer to being authentic from 'Abdullah than the Hadith of Al-Mas'udi from Al-Qasim, from 'Abdullah." He (Ibn Mas'ud) said: "Then how come you did not take it?" We said: "This is a Hadith that does not contradict our Hadith. If he cut (the hand off) for three, he cut it for five or more." He (Ibn Mas'ud) said: "We have narrated from 'Umar bin Al-Khattab that he did not cut off for eight dirhams." Ash-Shafi'i said: "The narration of 'Umar is not correct." Ma'mar narrated from 'Ata Al-Khurasani from 'Umar (saying): "The punishment for theft is one-quarter of a Dinar or more." We did not see the need to rely on it, because it is not proven and no one can use the Messenger of Allah ﷺ as evidence, and the Muslims must follow his command." Ash-Shafi'i said: "So we do not rely on a Hadith that differs from us, nor do we rely on what those who have abandoned Hadith and rely solely on the apparent meaning of the Qur'an have relied upon." The Shaykh (Ash-Shafi'i) may Allah have mercy upon him) said: "As for the narration of Dawud Al-Awdi Az-Za'afiri from 'Amir Ash-Sha'bi from 'Ali, regarding cutting off (the hand), I have not come across it yet, and his narration is only in relation to the lowest amount of goods, which the scholars of his time criticized him for. If he also narrated concerning cutting (the hand) off, then it is Munkar (denounced) and Dawud cannot be relied upon with similar narrations. It has also been narrated from another obscure route from 'Ali which is weak and cannot be relied upon with similar narrations."  

أَنَّهُ قَالَ لَا تُقْطَعُ الْيَدُ إِلَّا فِي عَشَرَةِ دَرَاهِمَ قُلْنَا فَقَدْ رَوَى الثَّوْرِيُّ عَنْ عِيسَى بْنِ أَبِي عَزَّةَ عَنِ الشَّعْبِيِّ عَنِ ابْنِ مَسْعُودٍ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللهِ ﷺ قَطَعَ سَارِقًا فِي خَمْسَةِ دَرَاهِمَ وَهَذَا أَقْرَبُ أَنْ يَكُونَ صَحِيحًا عَنْ عَبْدِ اللهِ مِنْ حَدِيثِ الْمَسْعُودِيِّ عَنِ الْقَاسِمِ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللهِ قَالَ فَكَيْفَ لَمْ تَأْخُذُوا بِهَذَا؟ قُلْنَا هَذَا حَدِيثٌ لَا يُخَالِفُ حَدِيثَنَا إِذَا قَطَعَ فِي ثَلَاثَةِ دَرَاهِمَ قَطَعَ فِي خَمْسَةٍ أَوْ أَكْثَرَ قَالَ فَقَدْ رُوِّينَا عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ ؓ أَنَّهُ لَمْ يَقْطَعْ فِي ثَمَانِيَةِ دَرَاهِمَ قَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ رِوَايَتُهُ عَنْ عُمَرَ ؓ غَيْرُ صَحِيحَةٍ وَقَدْ رَوَى مَعْمَرٌ عَنْ عَطَاءٍ الْخُرَاسَانِيِّ عَنْ عُمَرَ ؓ الْقَطْعُ فِي رُبْعِ دِينَارٍ فَصَاعِدًا فَلَمْ نَرَ أَنْ نَحْتَجَّ بِهِ؛ لِأَنَّهُ لَيْسَ بِثَابِتٍ وَلَيْسَ لِأَحَدٍ مَعَ رَسُولِ اللهِ ﷺ حُجَّةٌ وَعَلَى الْمُسْلِمِينَ اتِّبَاعُ أَمْرِهِ قَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ ؓ فَلَا إِلَى حَدِيثٍ صَحِيحٍ ذَهَبَ مَنْ خَالَفَنَا وَلَا إِلَى مَا ذَهَبَ إِلَيْهِ مَنْ تَرَكَ الْحَدِيثَ وَاسْتَعْمَلَ ظَاهِرَ الْقُرْآنَ قَالَ الشَّيْخُ رَحِمَهُ اللهُ أَمَّا رِوَايَةُ دَاوُدَ الْأَوْدِيِّ الزَّعَافِرِيِّ عَنْ عَامِرٍ الشَّعْبِيِّ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ ؓ فِي الْقَطْعِ فَلَمْ أَقِفْ عَلَيْهَا بَعْدُ وَإِنَّمَا رِوَايَتُهُ فِي أَقَلِّ الصَّدَاقِ وَقَدْ أَنْكَرَهَا عَلَيْهِ عُلَمَاءُ عَصْرِهِ فَإِنْ كَانَ قَدْ رَوَى أَيْضًا فِي الْقَطْعِ فَهُوَ مُنْكَرٌ وَدَاوُدُ لَا يُحْتَجُّ بِمِثْلِهِ وَقَدْ رُوِيَ مِنْ وَجْهٍ آخَرَ مُظْلِمٍ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ ؓ وَهُوَ ضَعِيفٌ لَا يُحْتَجُّ بِمِثْلِهِ